at the end of that journey the destination is greece or spain or italy. melissa: right. >> we have t figure out how to get control of intitlements. the while house refuses to have adult conversation about that. melia: neither of these proposals, neither side gets us closer to closing the enormous gap you're talkin about. i say over and over again and if this was your household and bills were so far out of line with what the revenue was you could get very serious very quickly. these people do not seem to do that. for republicans is it looking more and more palatable to go over the cliff at this point? >> depends on how dogmatic obama is. like selling a car on craig's list and put it up for 5,000 and really take 4500. someone offers you 4,000. this is classic negotiating. we have to be serious. this isn't just a game. we're not playing poker on a thursday night. if we don't get fix ou fiscal problem, by the way to give republicans credit, i just don't want to attack them, they passed the ryan budget earlier this year and st year and that actually does conta